China has been trying to build up its pharma industry to rival that of the US, but as the effectiveness of its vaccines show, that hasn’t happened. With its pharma industry failing, China is falling back on an old cash cow: organ harvesting. Joining us to discuss this is Ethan Gutmann, an investigative journalist and author of “The Slaughter: Mass Killings, Organ Harvesting, and China’s Secret Solution to Its Dissident Problem” and “Losing the New China: A Story of American Commerce, Desire, and Betrayal”.